Gene Kranz

 

What's Up, everybody, 

Welcome to the Season with Peter Schreger, a brand new episode here. 

I'm joined by my wonderful producer, Aaron Jong Kaufman. Aaron, Welcome to week two of training camp. My friend. 

It's pretty exciting getting lots of video seeing all these rookies making big catches and you know, let's see you had your own little trip to training camp which made some waves too. 

Yes, good intro. That's what this podcast is going to be about. If you listen to this podcast, you know, we try to get you behind the scenes stuff. 

We try to bring in coaches and general managers. I don't often bring in current players as guests because I feel like they're usually pretty measured and we're not getting anything that you're not going to get at the podium. 

And in the rare instance that you do get one of these all access interviews with a current player, it might be with a former teammate of theirs. I honestly feel like coaches and general managers and media guys and celebrity fans that's my wheelhouse. Current players often are twenty years younger than me. They're often in a pr restricted forum where okay, I'll give you this guy, but you get fifteen minutes with him, and you've got to either a plug the foundation first and foremost that he's working with fine, or be the product endorsement he is dealing with. 

Again, I've got great relationships with a lot of these guys around the NFL. I respect the players more anything. But as podcast guests few and far between, would it be a guy that I'm like, all right, let's go thirty minutes deep and let's really bring out what makes you what you are and tell us stories from current players? Rare exceptions. 

George Kittle wants to come on, always welcome, you know. And then there's one guy, one guy in the league who I think is always unfiltered, He's always himself, is always authentic, can be polarizing, too many, can be fascinating to all, and that's Aaron Rodgers. 

This podcast is about my interview with Aaron Rodgers on Sunday at Jets training camp, and I wanted to set the stage. I wanted to give you all the behind the scenes. I wanted to give you the context because we're recording this on Tuesday morning, and I was out at a local restaurant yesterday and this doesn't happen. Ever. 

There's a little TV and ESPN's on and PTI is on, and I look up to PTI and it's not Tony and Mike's faces. It's my mug with Aaron Rodgers. And the guy sitting at the bar looked at me and kind of gave me that weird look and I just kind of nodded and walked out. NFL network stuff is not often used on ESPN, and it was the lead story on ESPN, 

\And this interview was actually done on NFL Plus, which is the streaming app that we were talking about last week on the Gronk podcast that the NFL is putting a lot of eggs into their basket to kind of push And I'd like to think I had the first NFL Plus moment and it had nothing to do really with me at all. It was Rogers and it was Sean Payton. 

And as much as I appreciate the many texts and tweets some people saying that the way I crafted the question to get to Aaron Rodgers's money quote was masterful, it was really all Rodgers, and I just gave him a runway. So this is the story behind the story for Sunday's bombshell Aaron Rodgers interview that I conducted at Jets Camp. 

Interview at Jets Minicamp:

Aaron, let me first set it up a couple of days earlier. Thursday morning, I'm out Good Morning Football, hosting the morning show, our first week back from a nice summer vacation, and I get a text from my friend Adam Weinberg, who is a football fan and does not work in the league, and says, holy bleep, did you read these quotes from Sean Payton in USA Today? And I'm like, USA Today, Sean Payton. 

Payton's a dear friend of mine. I spent all last year with him at Fox. I know Sean Payton. What quotes did Sean Payne have that are bombshell quotes in the USA Today? And I'm not dismissing the work of Jared Bell as a hall of favor, Like usually this comes from the Beat reporter if he's going to have some bombshell thing, or it's coming on McAfee's show, or Jared Bell with a sit down in print that went to the USA Today, I'm like, what are you talking about? 

We finished the show and the article is published and Aaron Sean Payton's comments in the USA today blew me away. Let's go through some of them. This was from Sean Payton last Thursday. Jared Bell, great, great reporter, legendary Hall of Fame writer. And here's Peyton. "Can I say this to you. I'm gonna be pissed off if this is not a playoff winning team. It's the South for the whole organization. 

Makes everyone feel better. Okay, nothing crazy there, yet, I feel like that wasn't the quote that I was like, uh, and then we keep going. It doesn't happen often where an NFL team or organization gets embarrassed, and that happened here. Part of it was their own fault relative to spending so much explet of time trying to win the off season, the pr the pomp and circumstance, marching people around and all this stuff. 

Okay, that's a shot at the old regime, but also some guys who still work there in Denver. Yeah, getting a little muddy there, little muddy. Next line, there's so much dirt around what happened to Russell Wilson last year there's twenty dirty hands for what was allowed tolerated in the freaking training rooms, the meeting rooms, the offense. I don't know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip. He still has it this bs that he hit a wall. Shoot. They couldn't get a play in. They were twenty ninth in the league and pre snap penalties on both sides of the ball. That was the parents who allowed it. That's not an incrimination on him, but an incrimination on the head coach, the GM by the way, Aaron George Payton, who's still there, the president, Demani Leach, former NFL league employee, still there, and everybody else who watched it all happen.

 Oh, all right, there's more now. A quarterback having an office and a place to watch film is normal. But all those things get magnified when you're losing and all that other stuff. I've never heard of it. We're not doing that and that. And that was in regard to him having a personal quarterbacks coach with him last year in Denver, who would in addition to the coaching staff which was like twenty five deep, they also had his personal guy on site, which is not totally unheard of, right, I mean, yes, it's totally unheard that you wouldn't have your own personal quarterbacks coach in the building all that, Yes, unheard of, Aaron. You'd have your quarterbacks coach, you'd have your offensive coordinator, your head coach. You wouldn't have this guy also there in addition to the staff. You would have them in the offseason or you can work with them on your own time. That was a first for me, dude. And then the last couple. Everything I heard about last season, we are doing the opposite. And the last one. They can only beat the blank out of you so much. But everybody's got a little stink on their hands. It's not just Russell. It was a poor offensive line. It might have been one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL. That's how bad it was. Huh. Okay, So let me unpack this a little bit that happens on Thursday. My phone's blown up because A it's just an unbelievably candid interview with a head coach. B. You never never on the record here a coach talk about the previous coach like this. It's almost like what do they say, there's a code amongst thieves and this one there's just like there's a there's a code, you know you omerta, almost like we're all in this together, We're all gonna cross paths, We're all gonna know someone who knows someone. You don't do that. Um, he did it, and he did it at Nathaniel Hackett, who universally is beloved by people who know him as a guy, like we've had him on our podcast. I think, Aaron, you you gotta feel for Hackett, right like, just yeah, very nice guy and sweetheart, like a good man with two kids wife. Hackett's you know, uprooting his entire life. He's embarrassed as is how this thing went down. And then I think a lot of people were turned off by Peyton's comments on the surface, and then you look at who he said it about, Hackett, who's a good guy and as well liked in his around a lot of places, and people know that he's already been through the crap of it, right like he already was fired fifteen weeks into his season. He already was the laughing stock last year. He's still got a career, He wants to have and here he is starting a new season and gosh for it to start off with these quotes coming out. I think that rubbed a lot of people wrong. Then there was a shot at the Jets. Here's Peyton in the article on hard knocks. We're not doing any of that. The Jets did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all of it. I can see it coming. Remember when former Washington owner Dan Snyder put that dream team together. I was at the Giants in two thousand. I was a young coach. I thought, how are we going to compete with them? Dion's there now? Well that team won eight games or whatever, So listen, just put the work in on that like the Jets. The Jets didn't didn't ask for hard knocks. Like the league asked the Jets to do hard on. That's resisted. The League pushed harder, the Jets resisted. I don't think the ownership group of the Jets were looking for a Hall of Fame game and hard knocks. So like Sean suggesting that that was the case is whatever. And then Sala obviously had his comments if they're not Hayton, you ain't popping, which I'd never heard that line before also liked it. So now you've got Hackett, you've got the Jets, Jets being compared to the two thousand Washington Redskins, which was a team in infamy that was like a dream team that went bust, and for twenty four hours, everybody is a buzz. So then Sean gets to the phodio. I mean, I think everyone's expecting this grand apology or him doubling down, and he kind of goes in between. This is what Sean Payton says. Listen, I had one of those moments where I still had my fox hat on and not my coaching hat on. I said this to the team. We've had a great offseason relative to that. I've been preaching that message and here I am the veteran stepping in it. It was a learning experience for me, a mistake. Obviously, I need a little bit more filter. I needed a bit more restraint. I regret that end quote. So he's apologizing, but he's not apologizing to Nathaniel Hackett. He's not apologizing to Robert Sala so much as to saying I'm annoyed that I said too much. I went over the line when I was talking on the record, and I should have kept that in house or I shouldn't have said any of that stuff publicly because it started this whole thing into distraction. Fine, but as of now, I don't I've got no indication that he's apologized to Hackett. I don't, like I said, I don't think Sean Mines is being out there. I don't think that Sean Mines, Hey cause a little chaos here, cause a little something. Take a bat to that pinata and just whack it or the beehive, whatever you want, and wake this team up. We're gonna be a relevant team, Like this is Peyton, Okay, but there's a human element to this that that that's impacted a lot of people. So lead up to Sunday, Aaron Rodgers might be the most difficult interview to secure in that I think he sort of operates on his own as far as who he talks to, when he talked to them, what he wants to get out there, and in what forum. So if you see historically he's done Pat McAfee every week, he'll do the podium for the team, He'll do Aaron Andrews. He's great with Aaron. He did a Kyle Brand interview one time on a podcast he does. He did PMT with Big Kat and PFT commenter and they were hilarious last summer. And he's done Good Morning Football with US super Bowl in Minnesota, and then when he was doing Jeopardy tryouts for the host for Trebec, he did our show and was awesome. But I'll be honest, completely candid, I personally haven't had any interactions with Aaron Rodgers and probably since then, so I don't, you know, I do my show and you know, since since the Jeopardy stuff, like we've had a ton of things happen with Rogers, whether it be off the field, on the field, whatever, But like, I don't have this relationship with Rogers that I do with others around the league. So I'm just wondering we're coming at Jets camp. I'm on behalf of NFL plus, it's a big thing for us. It's NFL Network. I got the NFL Network logo on me. They're sending me out there. I can probably get Slaus Gardner, Quinnin Williams or Sala to come speak with me, and those will all be great and I would love those guys and they're awesome and Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb would be great guests to have. I was like, but I'm here for the big fish. I want Rodgers. So I start playing the seed with not only the PR staff, but with some coaches on that staff, saying like, hey, I'm coming Sunday. If you can speak to Rogers, I would love to do it with you. Whatever. I don't hear anything back about Saturday night. I check in with the Jets PR staff and I say, I know it's a hail Mary, but is Rogers willing to sit with me for ten fifteen minutes on NFL Network? And the response I got was we'll see tomorrow. But he certainly didn't say no. So I'm like, all right, we're in the game, you know, like we're in the game. I'm not looking to curry favor of Rogers at all. I just want to get the interview and all along, I'm thinking, all right, Hackett's biggest supporter is Aaron Rodgers like biggest supporter, and those guys are best best friends. And Rogers is also candid. So if you get Rogers to talk about Hackett, you're gonna get a great defensive Hackett. And that's gonna not only rally his teammates in New York, but also send a messager on the league and I'm sure we'll, you know, make news. But I also didn't want to position it as hey talk about Sean Payton, because that could just shut it down right away. That is the journalism in this thing. I wanted to let him take it wherever he wanted, and if he doesn't address it, that's cool, but I want to give him the opportunity to right. So practice is going on and it's awesome, Aaron like, the Jets are clicking and the fans are vibing and it's really cool scene and the hard Knocks cameras are there, and Rogers hits Lazard in the back of the end zone and it's fantastic stick it's a touchdown and everyone's rather. Then whistle blows practice over and then I see Rogers and we make eye contact and it gives me the nod, and I'm like, all right, I think I'm in. And I have an amazing producer at NFL Network that does these things on remote with me. Christine Martin is her name. I think Christine's the best at what she does as far as field producing goes and she's never in my way, she's never the story, she's never she just it's all ready for me. Whenever I get to wherever I'm working with Christine, she handles all the logistics and she like lets me do my thing. I'm not like every reporter when I get to these things, I'm looking to be alone. I like to mingle with a coach and have an off conversation. I like to talk to an owner. I like to talk to general manager. I don't like being in a gaggle of reporters. I don't need to be with other media guys. I am solo mission. Let me get what I need to get and get conversations done. Christine lets me do that. She knows that. And when I have to be on air and one minute, she's like, Peter, you got one minute. I come in the chair and we go. Not a lot of downtime. So Christine's like looking at me, and she's like, I think, I think we got it. We got the two chairs set up, and from what might have been mares, I swear mores as Rogers is coming over right in front of me, Jason Garrett stops Rodgers. I didn't know Jason Garrett was there. I didn't see Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett, the old Cowboys and Giants coach, and Jason Garrett now on NBC, and Rogers starts tapping him up and they're talking, and it's ten minutes, twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett better have six hours worth of airtime on Thursday nights, same game, because he just talked to Aaron Rodgers longer than anyone has in the history of time. You know. I remember this another time. I was at a Bear's Packers game one time and Rogers spent most of the pregame not work. Oh he was hurt, and it was Bret Hunley playing quarterback, and he's just talking to Kenny Maine the whole time. So I'm like, Rogers will do this, like if he respects you, he will talk to you off camera, off mike, he will get to know you. So there he is talking with Jason Garrett, and I'm like, this might be done. Rogers finishes up, and then who as he's coming over. Tim Boyle's family's there. Who's Tim Boyle? He's one of the backup quarterbacks of the Jets. He was with the Packers. Rogers loves that family. I want to say, Boyle's grandma or his wife's grandma was sitting there, so he's talking to her. Add another ten minutes, finally Rogers comes over and he's like, we're doing this. I'm like, oh, yeah, we're doing this. We dap each other up and he's like, let's do it and he apologizes like I'm sorry. I'm like, dude, it's all good. In the minutes leading up to it, I was talking with Eric Gelfan, who's the pr guy of the Jets, and he a Gelfan had told me he had just seen Oppenheimer and I was talking to him about it and I'm like, I want to see it, and I'm like, you think Rogers has seen it. He's like, I don't know if he's seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And I know that Rogers is a cinephile. This guy loves movies. He has thoughts and takes on movies. And I also thought that would be a great way to start the conversation. So, with no further ado, here is the Aaron Rodgers interview from Sunday afternoon at Jets Camp. Thrilled to have Aaron Rodgers here with me after Jets practice. Aaron I said it on the air, the vibes are immaculous, Like I don't know what the kids say these days, but that's what I felt like. It just feels great. Do you feel that energy when you're out there at this practice field? I do. I mean the first day that we walked out with fans, I heard a you know, nice ovation over there, and it's been the same every day. It's exciting. There's a lot of energy around here, a lot of people proud to wear their Jets apparel, which is awesome. But we got a good thing going. I think we're progressing on offense. Our defense has definitely been ahead of us to start camp. But it's fun. I love the whole process. You gotta love the journey if you've been doing as long as I have, and I definitely do. Yeah. And you look at the last few weeks, it's been football, of course before that, though, you've got a chance to kind of do New York a little bit. And I love that everyone's talking about the Nixon rating. I love that you're at the Tony's. You go to the Tony They're like, what's your feeling of just New York City? And you've always easily been there a million times. But to be living so close to the market and enjoying the fruits of that as well, I love it. I'm having a blast. I grew up in a small town. A lot of small towns in northern California. I've dreamt since I was a kid of being in a big city. I moved to La and San Diego, and so I've been some of those on the West coast, but I'm loving the East Coast. I'm really loving the city. I'm loving Jersey. Where I'm at. Met a lot of great people being out and about done a lot of incredible things from uh, you know, a hockey game at MSG, a couple of Knicks games, Taylor Swift concert at Sharing concert. We've been to Wicked and now Back to the Future. Is the Back to the Future because that is must watch. Yeah, if you're a fan and I'm a fan, I got to Lorian we can go to I'm a one three two though, is my order. I'm a big fan of three. A lot of people aren't. I love three the Western, it's the second best one. Three two that's for me. See two was my one with the Hoverboards. I was a kid. I was like, oh, the coup in a timeline. Though I don't know Barbie or Oppenheimer in a dual barben Heimer yet I have not I heard about you know this, some stuff going on, the Adam bomb going on, yes during some parts in the movie. Haven't seen it, but I've seen you've seen it. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was great. If I would have watched it at maybe six o'clock, yeah, in the evening, I would probably would have loved it because it was nine o'clock. Yeah, I really really liked it. Christopher Nolt tied, I'm a huge Yeah. I'll tell you what. My favorite Christopher Nolan movie though, is The Prestige The Magicians. Christ I thought you're gonna go like Momento, No No, No, No, No No, Tenant which I'm Christian Bale and Hugh Jackman, Scarlett Johansson. I love it. Michael Caine, fantastic movie. I've seen that like fifty times. I love that movie. I love it. Um all right, So then you get here with the Jets, or if I got young guys, got old guys. I see you talking to the defensive backs. I see you talking to the running backs, and I was talking to some folks here. I'm like, that's not every quarterback. Do you feel that responsibility of all right? I know I'm the quarterback, but I'm also held in a certain regard and I'm also the veteran guy in this building. That's just how I go about business. I mean, I enjoy the conversations across the line. There's been a lot of great communication between the offense and defense. I want to keep encouraging that. Part of that's me leaning by example. I'm going to talk to those guys. We ran an adjustment play down at the goal line. They passed it off really nice, and I just want to know, hey, what did you see there? Yeah, So complimenting them on what they're doing, starting a conversation, and then that leads into another conversation about a different play from the drive. So that's how you get better. You know, we want to beat each other up on the field and practice field, but we also want to grow together. How we're going to do is communicating. So let's make it as hard as possible on each other. So if we're giving some away, if we're tipping something off, if something that we're doing and give somebody else problem, let's communicate that maybe after practice if you don't want to get the end game competitive advantage. But that's how we're going to grow as a team. And I just got to be a part of that, leaning by example, and that's just honestly how I practice. You know, I love talking to defense, I love hanging around the d and I got a great spot in the locker room right like some of the funniest guys on the team. I got al Woods over here. I got the kind of offensive guys over here. We got Al Woods over here. Quentin Jefferson comes over every single day and sits down and talks. I had Dwayne Brown here. It starts this big conversation I like just listening to because those guys some of the funniest guys on the team. And H and JFM too, John Franklin Myers, he's hilarious. So I got a good group of guys to just kind of just eavesdrop on those conversations every day. Yeah No, and it's you guys. Now have a stretch coming up where it's not only the Hall of Fame game, it's also going to Spartanburg. Did you joint practice with the Panthers. You're gonna get in the road a little bit here. This is where a team kind of jails August time. Have you prepped these guys at all? What this is all about? Or is it just let's just go and see how it goes, or is it, Hey, this is the start of the season. Now we're stepping it up a notch because we're getting on the road together. I think naturally the energy kind of picks up a little bit once it's real. Now a lot of the starters probably won't play a whole lot in the preseason, so our preseason is going to be those joint practices, which are always interesting as there can be some fights and some some intensity going up. But I think that's a good part about it is because everything, every step is a ramp up throughout the season, from OTA used to training camp to preseason to the regular season to playoff to you know, playoff prep to being in the playoffs. Just there's always just a little bit of a notch that goes up and it's not like, hey, oh, now we got to play a little more. It's just like the focus kind of tightens a little bit, Uh, the intensity is heightened slightly, and the awareness about how important each step and the journey is kind of goes up a little bit more as we get onto this this part of the journey. I'm not going to ask you about Sean Payton's comments directly, but I will ask you to maybe address Nathaniel Hackett as a coach and what he means to you and what he can bring to this Jets team. That story goes out there. I had about a million texts from people in the coaching community saying I was out of line there. Yet you see hack it out here. He's still pumped out. I don't think it affects him as much as maybe it affects everyone on the outside. And yet you and him have this great bond and union together where you've always had his back, he's always had yours. Yeah. I love Nathaniel Hackett and those comments were very surprising for a coach to do that to another coach. My love frat goes deep. You know, we had some great years together in Green Bay, kept in touch, love him and his family. He's an incredible family man. Incredible dad and on the field, you know, he's arguably my favorite coach I've ever had in the NFL. Just his approach to it, how he makes it fun, how he cares about the guys, just how he goes about his business with respect, with leadership, with honesty, with integrity. And it made me feel bad that someone who's accomplished a lot in the league is that insecure that they have to take another man down to set themselves up for some sort of easy fall if it doesn't go well for that team this year. I thought it was way out of line, inappropriate, and I think he needs to keep my coaches names out of his mouth, respect that respect that it's fair. In closing, you've got all these guys from the Green Bayers with Hackett but obviously Malizard and I see Cobb and Billy turned all these guys. Does it feel like, Hey, we're getting the band back together a little bit and let's go do something special right now. I'm excited about all those guys. I'm excited about the new guys that we got as well, and just everybody's new to me really just getting though these personalities. It's nice, you know, being able to sit sit down, and you know my locker and there's Alan, you know, who I've known for a long time now, and Billy's just down the way, and Billy and I have a really close relationship going back to his first couple of years in the league, and just so much respect for the man that he is. And he stood up for Nathaniel because he played for him last year and he's a warrior. It's played through some some injuries and never complains. Incredible locker room guy. And I think that's what you know, what Joe and his staff and Robert have really put together is a lot of really high character guys. And I think that's important when the going gets tough and also when the going is really really good. So we got on stand how to handle the success when everybody's praising us, and the low points when things aren't going as well as we wanted to, and those in those moments where the character can come through. And I like the makeup of the squad. I think we're really a high character group and we'll be tested throughout the season, but I trust it we'll stick together. I'm gonna close with this what you did last week financially with your contract it's a testament and not only you, but also your belief in this team. It was rare. It was a surprise too many. And yet, if you know Aaron Rodgers, this has been your story all along. I want to win and I want to get a chip. The reaction amongst your teammates when that news came out, and hey, I'm in this not just for one thing, but maybe for two and who knows from their point on well, I mean, I appreciate the support for sure, and I understand what the contract was and now what it is. I'm paid extremely well and I feel great about the contract. I felt like I could alleviate some app stuff also free up some cash in order to keep getting some players. Joe and I have been in constant dialogue about the roster and any ideas I have and what he's thinking about, what the moves he wants to make. And it's been a great relationship with Joe, and I felt great about it. You know it. There's been times over the years where I've you know, helped to lower my cap number. There's some times I've signed at the top of the market and known in three or four years it's going to be more in the middle of the market. Green Bay was extremely financially supportive for me and generous, and I appreciate that, and I feel really fortunate to be making the money I'm making, and I think everybody's happy from a cap standpoint, from a cash flow standpoint, and I'm really happy to Hey, hard knocks not so bad. Huh No, No, they've been great. They've been They've been great. Like that, Aaron Rodgers awesome. I know this was longer than probably expected, but I always love catching up with it. I like you, so I give you a latitude. I'll take it on behalf of NFL plus NFL Network everybody, Good Morning football. We just love having you on man. Good luck with everything the season. Thank you. And from that point on when you heard getting my coach's name out of your mouth, it was it was headlines everywhere, and I'll tell you what it was. It's one of those things when you're on the clip and your face is on ESPN and it's your name and all things. You get a thrill, but you also start thinking about, Okay, do I have to reach back out to Peyton, Do I have to talk to anyone out And I'm just like, you know, what I served it up. Rogers took it from there. All is fair in love and war. I haven't heard from Sean Payton since the interview. I'm sure he's fine. I haven't heard from Rogers since the interview. I'm sure he's fine with how it went. But this is two days later on recording this. It's still the number one story in football news. Maybe Jonathan Taylor a second or is up there with him and Jim Mury. But I gotta say it was a rush. Football's back and Aaron. That's the anatomy of an interview. I'll tell you it's a It's a thrill. And I immediately thought of the podcast, and I'm like, I gotta tell the full story on the podcast quickly. Your reactions to not only the story leading up to it, but the interview itself. I loved it. I I'm a little shocked there was no other mention of Rogers back to the future choices with his movies. But I did love him talking movies with you. And you know, as I watched it, I was texting you and I was like, wow, you know you brought up the Tony's and going to Broadway shows, and it opened him right up. That was so well done and I loved hearing him talk about that for a bit too. And you know, it's it is exciting to see a coach fight for a player. It's kind of more exciting to watch a player fight back for their coach too, right like you have, dude. The response has been so overwhelmingly positive towards Rogers for having his guys back. You know, to have his guys back. You don't talk bleep about my guy. I think you know when everyone is so toxic like and that's what Rogers has his guys back, and I respect it. They play Week five, October eighth, Jets First Bronchos. I'm sure this interview will get brought up. I'm sure Payton's comments will get brought up. It's an unlikely adversary like Jets Bronchos. You go back bade an AFC championship game in ninety eight, I believe, or ninety nine. But this came out of nowhere. I think. I don't think every anyone thought two weeks ago that Jets Bronchos would be a game you circle on the on the schedule. But here we are real quick. On the journalism side, of it, Like, because my question where I say, I'm not going to bring up Sean Payton's comments, I'm not going to harp on that, but I did want to give you the opportunity to talk about Nathaniel Hackett is so much different than and can you respond to Sean Payton's comments? Yeah, or worse off, talk about Sean Payton's comments. It was defend your guy. Let us know at home, you're on a big platform right now, who this hack it is. And he did that. He mentioned his family, he mentioned that he's arguing, and then you see as he's getting momentum going, he's like, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna I'm gone, I'm going in and he did. Gosh, I come out of this thing. I respect the hell out of Rogers, and I thank the Jets for giving me that opportunity. And I think all you, the listeners of the podcast and those who are at home and who tweeting all that stuff, for being supportive of the interview, because again, it's not every day that your interview is the one that blows up. And it's been pretty cool to watch. That's the episode, Aaron. We're just gonna do that I figured that was a cool different way to do it. I don't think we're gonna get a bigger guest and Aaron Rodgers, So we'll take it till next week, where we will have another guest, and we'll have more out of you, and we'll have more out of me, and we'll have more football to talk about. Because the preseason is starting. We have a Hall of Fame game Thursday, and guess what, Aaron Rodgers will probably be interviewed on the sideline, So Parier is open for that. But on behalf of you, Aaron won Kaufman, Me, Peter Schreeger, the Great Jason English, and all the folks back at the NFL studios out there in LA and I Heeart in New York. Thanks for listening to this Season with Peter Schreger. We got another one up ahead next week. The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts